Group who call SSB theme racist release angry statement.

The campaign group opposing the SSB theme has finally spoken and it ain’t pretty.

Exeter Students for Social Justice (ESSJ) released a statement this morning which brands the legendary charity ball “racist, disgusting and oppressive”.

The statement says: “The University of Exeter’s Safer Sex Ball has done it again. After last year’s rape “joke”, we thought they could go no further.

The ESSJ statement

“Students across campus are appalled by the choice of theme by the Exeter Student Guild’s Raising and Giving (Rag) society.”

ESSJ’s Campaign Against Racist Safer Sex Ball Theme (“Tribal”) has so far attracted 74 likes on facebook. Exeter University has around 16,300 students.

In one of its more outlandish statements, the group draws a link between Rag’s theme and violent race-hate on campus.

“Rag’s theme statement requested students to be “sensitive of other cultures” while in the same line, calling a Black female celebrity the “Queen of the Jungle”. Such a statement ignores and perpetuates the racially motivated violence that students of colour experience on this campus.”

Click here to read Tab editor Matt McDonald’s view

On Monday, The Tab reported how ESSJ argues the theme is “racist and needs to go”. They define tribal as “a colonialist and racist term used by the white West in the past and present to oppress People of Colour throughout the world.”

Responding to Rag’s facebook page, the ESSJ statement says:

“A statement released on the ‘Rag’s Safer Sex Ball 2012′ facebook page expressed a vision to ‘see an explosion of bright colours and patterns at the SSB.’ However, it becomes clear that the colours they want are not the colours brought by non-­white students at the University of Exeter.

“At an overwhelmingly white university, the only representation that students of colour will have at this event is in the racist stereotypes used to decorate the walls and white bodies on the dance floor.”

The ESSJ campaign page

They even quote one anonymous student who threatened: “Either the Safer Sex Ball theme goes, or I do.”

The statement also refers to last year’s bungled Shag Mag, in which a misguided joke was printed in error.

It says: “This isn’t the first time RAG and the Student Guild have been called out for their discrimination. Last year’s Ball featured a comment that endorsed sexual assault against female-­identified Ball participants.

“This latest development of the “Tribal” theme at a predominantly white institution raises the questions – safer sex for whom?”

Tumbleweed…

  • Hector Chamberlain

    Whatever happens I'm still going as a Zulu warrior

  • NormalPerson.

    I think 'Tumbleweed' pretty much sums this nonsense up…

  • Hector Chamberlain

    Agreed, it is the communist loving, western hating LGBT and socialist groups trying to get some attention. They all need a good shag if you ask me.

    • satyr

      Agreed. You first.

  • Tom Cooke

    That's really big of an "anonymous student" to threaten to drop out of uni hahahaha – what a blow to the student body.

  • Anon

    They even quote one anonymous student who threatened: “Either the Safer Sex Ball theme goes, or I do.”

    Off you pop then…

  • Francesca

    Has there been any 'racially motivated violence' on campus? I hadn't heard of this and don't see how you could link that to an event which has not been created with any malicious intent. Political correctness gone way too far!

  • Katie

    74 students out of 16,300… doesnt that say it all!

  • The Powerhouse

    So, just to clarify, anyone who gets a spray tan from X-Tan is inherently racist right? Are they mocking Mediterranean tribal cultures?

  • Damian Jeffries

    I am a white and reasonably middle class, and been fortunate to have a good education for which I am very grateful – this wasn't a life choice in itself and there was not much that I could have done about it short of throwing it away. Why should I therefore be made to feel guilty about the fact that I am white? Why should I be made to feel guilty about the fact that I go to a university with predominantly white people (again, nothing I can do about that).

    It's terrible that there are incidences of racism and it should not be condoned in any way. To insist however that because I am a white middle class male, I am part of some greater institutionally racist conspiracy is unlikely to endear myself or my colleagues, to those making the accusations. On the contrary, twisting the meaning of inherently benign terminology (used in conjunction with a charitable ball) is likely to make me vehemently opposed to them. I cannot but help think that those involved in ESSJ are making a grave error in the way in which they conduct their campaign. The ESSJ will get the publicity they so crave, but should not be surprised if they are ridiculed in the process. Next time ESSJ think before acting and do not accuse or endeavour to make feel small, a demographic because of their ethnicity or social class.

  • anon

    they're just a bunch of communists and vegetarians

  • Hector Chamberlain

    A Facebook group with some sense,
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Campaign-Against-th

    Let's really gauge what the student populous think

  • Hector Chamberlain

    A Facebook group with some sense,
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Campaign-Against-th

    Let's really gauge what the student populous think

  • garland

    As a white person….

    1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

    2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

    3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

    4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

    5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

    6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

    7. When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization,” I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

    8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

    9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

    10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

    11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person’s voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

    12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser’s shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

    13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

    14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

    15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

    16. I can be pretty sure that my children’s teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others’ attitudes toward their race.

    17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

    18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

    19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

    20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

    21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

    22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world’s majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

    23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

    24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the “person in charge”, I will be facing a person of my race.

    25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.

  • garland

    As a white person….

    1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

    2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

    3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

    4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

    5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

    6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

    7. When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization,” I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

    8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

    9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

    10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

    11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person’s voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

    12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser’s shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

    13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

    14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

    15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

    16. I can be pretty sure that my children’s teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others’ attitudes toward their race.

    17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

    18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

    19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

    20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

    21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

    22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world’s majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

    23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

    24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the “person in charge”, I will be facing a person of my race.

    25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.

  • garland

    26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children’s magazines featuring people of my race.

    27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

    28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

    29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

    30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn’t a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

    31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

    32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

    33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

    34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

    35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

    36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

    37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

    38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

    39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

    40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

    41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

    42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

    43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

    44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

    45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

    46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in “flesh” color and have them more or less match my skin.

    47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

    48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

    49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

    50. I will feel welcomed and “normal” in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

    #whiteprivilegeproblems

    • Hector Chamberlain

      I'm sorry, but this is sensationalist bullshit and certainly not representative of British society.

      • Damian Jeffries

        I'm not* sorry, but this is sensationalist bullshit and certainly not representative of British society.

    • goive

      You obviously copied this from an American website

      • goive

        absolutely delighted to see the word goive again.

    • Moowaaaah

      Wow! What an insightful list of #whiteprivilegeproblems in a 92% White country!!!!!!

      Those poor Blacks in Africa, and those misunderstood Asians throughout Asia etc all wandering around trying to find their own kind in their own MAJORITY country, with no jobs there except for White people …. (sarcasm, by the way)

      Please, garland, use a bit of that brain … the UK will likely always be predominantly White so your 'observations' do not stand. Now if we were truly a mixed-race country of almost equal race proportion, some of your comments may be applicable.

  • garland

    26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children’s magazines featuring people of my race.

    27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

    28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

    29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

    30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn’t a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

    31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

    32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

    33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

    34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

    35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

    36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

    37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

    38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

    39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

    40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

    41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

    42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

    43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

    44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

    45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

    46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in “flesh” color and have them more or less match my skin.

    47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

    48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

    49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

    50. I will feel welcomed and “normal” in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

    #whiteprivilegeproblems

  • Leonid Brezhnev

    Not even I agree with what is being written, the views coming out this group make me look like Margaret Thatcher!

  • Leroy Jenkins
  • Adebayo Akinfenwa

    I have 96 strength on FIFA 13 and I will be coming as a Native American chieftain.

  • nobbythegnome
  • Danny Archer

    The whole thing is a bit ironic… Safer Sex with tribal theme? Bit late saving Africa's AIDs issues…

  • Fernie

    This is a group of pig-ignorant student activists choosing to focus their efforts on a pathetic cause, as opposed to remembering why they are at university and getting on with their degree. I would be interested to know if any of them actually have tickets to the SSB – if they do are they still planning on going? And if they dont…well I think this disgraceful branding of racism is a bi-product of losing out in the ballot. Now pipe down and take it on the chin. Sausage.

  • garland
  • 16,000 students

    Grow up. The only thing making me hate the people who came up with this campaign is their pathetic accusations. Frankly, I find it abusive. Not all students are fans of the SSB but whatever, people can do what they want and we'll let them get on with it.

    The RAG committee are not racist and have never personally abused or targeted anyone yet they are being slandered on social media and accused of crimes they have no responsibility for.

    Shit happens, grow a pair.

    • 16,000 students

      Or am I going to be hunted down for my sexism in saying "grow a pair"…?

  • adam

    Impartial as always…

  • Hull Student

    “Richard’s complaint, responsible for starting the war, has been branded “petty” by both Fatima and inside HUU sources.” It would be nice to hear about this complain too? One-sided attack piece as per.

  • Anon

    Another lie: Bus travel isn’t actually free. Even he admitted that himself.

  • Anon

    Great one-sided attack that even Fatima has admitted she didn’t want to be a part of.
    The campaign is actually really fun, let’s not ruin it with vicious propaganda.

  • Awesome

    Apperently Richard complained that Magid was supporting her in her campaign. Which i dont understand because 1 Magid is a life time member and can support whop ever he wants, 2 Richard was supported by John Chambers last year and he wasnt a life time member and had left uni but richard didnt seem to have a problem when it was him being supported and 3 Fatima can’t tell Magid what to write and what to post he has his own mind if he didnt want to he didnt have to he has his own mind. Richard however, is just lying on his manifesto and worse is taking away from the really hard work Kora put in and deserves credit for. SHAME ON RICHARD!!!

    • Aaron H

      If you’re confident your story is true, and not total rubbish and a pathetic attempt at a smear, why not attach your real name to the post? Pathetic.

      • Reg

        The point of the comment section is to allow students to post their views anonymously without being targeted or abused like our candidates are at the moment.
        Ps – I’d still spit in your drink
        Keep voting guys
        Love Regx

        • Reggae

          Hey Aaron H…..

          Nobody likes you.

          Reg(gae Reggae Sauce)
          x

  • Aaron H

    Ridiculous article again from Adam Sear.

    If we’re going to highlight dodgy policies, let’s talk about Fatima’s policy to “Stand up for £1.75 drinks”. This isn’t actually a policy.

    Fatima leads people to believe £1.75 drinks are in some sort of danger. They are not. There are no plans to increase £1.75 drinks. If there was, it would be nothing to do with her anyway.

    The fact is this, Richard has been President in a year that has seen a lot of change in the union, for the better. One of the candidates who wants his position wants make the union more green (something which was bottom on a list of priorities on a recent student survey….so much for listening to students eh?) The other hasn’t got a manifesto.

    Here’s an idea Adam, how about you stop trying to smear candidates with half a story and try your hand at writing an impartial article for a change?

    • Vitor Belfort

      There’s a difference between dodgy policy and outright lying about what you’ve done, essentially what Richard is doing is taking credit for what previous members of the SABB team have done and who clearly are no longer at the uni to say otherwise.

      The real question is, what has Richard actually done? I haven’t seen the HUU president once and most of the freshers I have spoken too, have no idea who he is.

      Furthermore as mentioned before, I don’t recall anyone posting against the tab from Richards campaign team when the tab was posting against Magid last year and even had George Allen speak up against Magid for offering free sweets at Hustings when Richard was doing the same thing.

      Who would you rather vote for, someone who has a track record of not being trustworthy by clearly lying or a fresh face, who with the right training and tweaks to his/her manifesto could be what the student body needs.

      • Aaron H

        If “a fresh face” is the best argument you can come up with for voting for a different candidate, then that shows how highly you regard the other candidates manifestos.

        Calling the President a liar is outrageous, HUU homes, the up and coming HUU app are all things that have been implemented under his Presidency.

        • Vitor Belfort

          No, that’s not my argument, my argument is why vote for a liar.

          How is calling the president a liar “outrageous”, it’s just a student union, he’s not the dictator in some war torn country, you can calm down with these posts. I have the right to call him a liar as I live in a country which advocates “free speech”.

          Yes they are things that have been implemented “under” his Presidency, under being the keyword, not “by” his Presidency, or him implementing it personally. He has claimed things implemented as his doing and as if he initiated them which is completely false.

          Finally, he claimed he’s installed the free night bus from Asylum to the lawns, not mentioning that the hidden cost was passed onto the rent for students, going against the hidden cost course he attended.

          Transparency was his key manifesto point last year, he has been anything but transparent.

          • Aaron

            Calling someone a liar without proof is outrageous. I am perfectly calm, thanks though.

            You’ve resorted to making it a debate about semantics, you’re out of your depth here.

            Let me suggest something, why don’t you go and campaign for whoever it is your supporting using positives about that candidate, rather than negatives about another.

            • Vitor Belfort

              Using positives? Just like Richard and his campaign team did last year?

              I am calling him a liar because he is claiming to be responsible for the implementation of schemes that were already in place before or as a result of other members of the sabb team’s hard work. i.e. look at the above article for PROOF.

              How about you (Richard Brooks/his team) prove to me and the rest of the student body why the above article is false and he is not a liar. The tab has provided proof regarding why he is a liar.

              It’s pointless posting a facebook status about how he feels bullied, when in fact he is the bully playing the victim.

  • Grace

    I was actually going to vote Fatima before reading this…

    • Elizabeth brown

      As if you were. Another brainwashed brooked crook

      • Michael Bartleby

        aaaand who the hell are you?

  • Vitor Belfort

    LOL at Richard playing the victim, lied about “free transport”, lied about “his housing scheme”, and to people saying the tab is one sided where were you people when the tab was supporting Richard against Magid last year and making up vicious rumours?

    Also it’s ridiculous that Richard has complained about Magid supporting a candidate, a bit hypocritical, looks like someone is getting worried about not being prez next year.

  • Anon

    Just ridiculous.
    I considered voting for George because his website was a really cool idea, but he is just discrediting himself by slandering the other candidates. Concentrate on your own policies instead of picking apart everyone else’s.
    I would have also considered voting for Fatima, but I am shocked and disappointed she wanted to take part in this horrible slander.

    • Your Mum

      Stop lying, you’d already voted before writing your comment you silly nincompoop! Also, stop confusing slander with negative, because the negative is the truth!!!

      P.s I once had a thumb war with Emma Bunton before I lost a game of slaps to Chico #IrrelavantTrueStory

  • realistic

    The price of rent at the lawns and other halls always rises with inflation. Richard Brooks is taking the next price rise and using it to cover the bus passes. He has worded his HUU Homes and HUU App coverage all wrong.
    I’m not sure any of Fatima’s pledges are substantial enough to attract a large number of students. Whilst George Allen’s website and general idea of how to run HUU are good and a step in the right direction, he is only know for being “that guy who writes for the tab” which may put some people off.
    Pretty open election this year, is that because all 3 candidates are outstanding or equally useless?

  • leo

    Last year I ran with the policy of “Rate your Landlord” online system and Richard said in Hustings, it would not work. The Hullfire ‏@TheHullfire 21 Feb 2013

    #huuvotes Richard, how liberal can students be with ratings and how do you propose to set up letting agencies? He in fact claimed landlords would sue us (however at least he has some policies) Also free bus travel was debunked last year.

  • Elizabeth Brown

    Poor Richard thought that lying his way through the elections was unnoticeable. BUSTED #BrooksACrook

  • Brenda google

    Richard has made no changes! He is taking credit for things he has NOT done.

  • The Truth

    Why are people hating on Fatima?! She had nothing to do with this Article what so ever! This article was written by Adam Sear who is being biased towards George Allen! Just because Fatima has put in a complaint she’s a bad person? Doesn’t make sense!!! Richard put in many complaints against Magid last year and candidates put in complaints all the time because it gives the other person an unfair advantage!

    Richard is silly to have complained about Magid supporting Fatima when he had the support of the Tab, Mathew Barrow (VP Education from 2years ago) who was tweeting “vote Richard” and publicly endorsing him last year which Magid didn’t complain about because there’s nothing anyone can do because they are no longer a student and can do what they want. You bloody had John Prescott (Ex Deputy Primeminister) publically endorsing John Chambers via Twitter but Magid didn’t put any complaints about it. This is really a very petty complaint that obviously doesn’t stand as Magid still continues to support Fatima. Fatima and George (I frikkin hate him) have both got a valid complaint so how is Fatima as Smearing anyone? Fatima has got nothing to do with this article what so ever. If you want to be mad at someone it should be The Tab for writing yet again another shit biased pro George Article (Although it’s embarrassing and a disgrace that our HUU President is a Liar) and not Fatima!

  • Mark twain

    Omg I was about to vote for him :o now I found out there was no such thing as a free bus pass from the ACCOMODATION OFFICE

  • Michael van Hoffman

    Has a dirty past in slandering other candidates. Will never forget the day he snatched the microphone from MAGID… and will ruin the union.NOONE STUCK UP FOR MAGID WHEN HE WAS BULLIED #BrooksACrooks

  • Arnold Barnes

    If Richard wins, I will drag his head across the 1st floor of the university house and throw him off the stairs. Then sell his corpse to the Union shop

  • James Mathews

    I’d rather have Margaret Thatcher run for president than Richard. #BrooksACrook

  • Kenastheö

  • Reg

    this Aaron guy is lucky he works behind the bar and not me because I’d spit in his drink!

    • Aaron H

      A really good addition to the debate. Well done you.

      • Reggae

        Aaron H.

        Again, I repeat.

        Nobody likes you.

  • Mathew buckland

    Arrogant and cheeky of him to post that Facebook status #BrooksACrook

  • Jamie Oliver

    Magid’s Chocolate Fudge Brownie and Peanut Butter Layered Pancake smothered in with Chocolate Ganache Sauce topped with Pistachio nuts is fucking AWESOME!!!

    • Pancake Lover

      That pancake tho!!!!!

  • hackomatic

    If the complaint against Fatima is true whats the problem with it?

    You know, if this article was done in an impartial way going over all the candidates fairly, I suspect a) Richard would have looked worst (partly by virtue of actually having a platform, but nonetheless) and b) the article would have some credibility.

    As it stands, you’ve sold your journalism down the river to produce horrendous partisan hatchet jobs on effective behalf of a candidate. Which is a) about as dishonest as anything Richards acused of above and b) makes it read about as credibly as a local election leaflet, i.e., like total shite. Great job, selling out results in stabbing oneself in the face.

  • gives a shit

    I’m gonna presume the author is sucking George Allen off. That Elizabeth girl as well.

  • alex

    its student elections, they happen every year in every university, calm the fuck down people!

  • Jenny F

    I honestly feel ashamed of myself for voting Richard last year! #BrooksaCrook

  • Al

    B*tch please, mighty meal 2 or 3 everytime

  • Tom Kaye

    ‘uniwide’ – classic

  • The tab reminds me of the sun…first time reading it and its full of crappy articles!

  • A. G. Lounge

    Nice dismissal of men who’ve been posted on these websites, feminists striving for gender equality once again!

    • Guest

      The majority of people who are victims of revenge porn are women. Feminism has nothing to do with it. They are focusing on a case study of a British girl in this article. If you’re going to post comments, at least have a valid point to make.

      • Guest

        They focused on male victims in three paragraphs for the sole purpose of dismissing them.

    • anon

      Hardly a dismissal… they say it does happen to men, there’s just less of a backlash about it.
      And what on earth does this have to with feminists?

  • Anonymous Libertarian

    “I don’t know how anyone in a vulnerable situation can be blamed when someone takes advantage to them.”

    Very easily. It’s time for another one of my verbose arguments, but for the tl;dr types, let me preface my post with two key statements before I get bombarded with “You’re awful” comments.

    First of all; I do not condone revenge porn. It is an awful thing that people do this.

    Second of all; “Victim-Shaming” (I hate SJ buzzwords like that) is a good thing UNLESS the victim is absolutely blameless.

    Let me make that absolutely clear. If you’re in a club and a guy slips a mickey in your drink while you’re not paying attention and you get taken advantage of through no fault of your own, of course you don’t deserve to be shamed. It’s a terrible and awful thing and I would never support the perpetrators of this type of evil, but if you willingly and knowingly make yourself vulnerable despite all the obvious reasons not to then you don’t deserve any special privileges or protection from criticism on your mistakes. If anything, to argue that people who make themselves vulnerable should be coddled is detrimental to society as a whole.

    While I’m not going to get into the argument of “If you dress provocatively, you’re asking for it” because it’s a whole other can of worms (short answer: no, you’re not asking for it, before I get yelled at for encouraging rape), I will say that we should condemn people for doing things that put themselves in harms way as an additional consequence to stop people doing silly things.

    If you willingly send dirty pictures to someone, especially by now with the amount this gets reported in the media and appears on social networks, you ought be fully aware of the potential consequences of what could happen and are equally to blame. If someone falls asleep smoking and burns their house down, we don’t say “It’s not the victims fault. It’s the evil tobacco companies who took advantage of his addiction. We say “That person was a moron who put themselves, their possessions and potentially others in a harmful position and nobody else should do that”. It doesn’t usually get worded as well as that.

    Usually it’s “Christ, what an idiot” but the point stands. Similarly, if someone walks through deprived neighborhoods wearing Dre Beats, flashing twenties in everyone’s faces smugly, we don’t say they’re a blameless victim and did nothing to justify being mugged (or at least punched in the face for being a flash twat). We say “Yeah, that person was awful to do that but you kinda’ made it easy for that to happen”.

    By no means should people be allowed to do as they please to those who make themselves vulnerable, but this campaign would find a lot more support from me and others if it was targeted towards awareness of the consequences of partaking in this awful trend and preventing people from sending dirty pictures in the first place.

    For indeed, it’s the logic of preventing making yourself vulnerable that has allowed our civilization to thrive as long as it has. If an ancient village was pillaged by foreign invaders, we wouldn’t stand in the smoking ruins saying “Oh darn. This isn’t our fault. We’re just blameless victims.”, we’d build swords and learn to protect ourselves and be watchful of our environment so we can see and avoid it happening again.

    • Alice

      Whilst in many ways this is a good point overall, does it matter? The campaign is about providing protection for people,or punishing people for doing wrong.
      In you’re mugging example, yeah sure, the person was acting in a way that maybe made it easy for them to get mugged. Does that mean that the mugger should get away scot free? Does that mean that if the person’s stuff is found that they shouldn’t get it back?
      Not to mention that both the mugging and the cigarette comparisons are just wrong – particularly that of the smoker burning their house down. In that case the person has been reckless, allowing for harm to come to them and it is only their own fault. In this case, the person’s flaw is that they have been too trusting, their crime is that they were naive enough to believe that whoever they sent that image to would respect them enough to keep it private.
      So overall – yeah, the people who get their photos thrown around the internet are not “blameless victims”. But does that mean they should have to suffer the huge indignity because of that?

      • Anonymous Libertarian

        Yes it matters. When posing any arguments, especially ones that seek to have effect in parliament, it’s important that they are vetted from different angles to ensure that it’s logically sound across the board. What you basically said amounts to “You have a good point but I don’t like it and is therefore irrelevant.”

        As stated in my initial post, I do not condone taking advantage of the vulnerable. I made clear to emphasise that. So no, the mugger should not get away scot free.

        Is naivety not another form of recklessness? If a elderly man gets scammed by a woman he meets online, do we blame the woman and say the old dear was an innocent victim or do we say he’s daft for sending card details to someone he doesn’t know.

        Now I do agree with you on the philosophy. It’s not right that things like these happen. I would love to be part of a world that can live harmoniously without fear of repercussion for our actions. In an ideal world, people would not take advantage of one another and people could send fun smut to each other or walk through bad areas without consequence but until that day comes when humanity as a whole loses its drive to take from the vulnerable, a very animal trait, then we need to continue to criticise those who chance consequences and do it anyway.

        I’m not trying to say myex is a good thing. I’m saying be part of the vaccination, not the treatment.

        • Alice

          Never said I didn’t like you’re argument – in fact I quite agree with it. There are many situations where people don’t think and do send photos of themselves to people they shouldn’t do.
          In your old man example, actually yes, legally we do blame the woman. It’s called fraud. Also (off the top of my head) the case of R v Hinks is a semi good example of that.
          I understand you’re point, I’ve read it properly, I’m not on a hate campaign. I just think that just because someone is not completely innocent, they do not deserve the protection that the law could give them at very little cost to anyone else.

          • Anonymous Libertarian

            Not quite. We say both are to blame. This is the crux of my entire argument.

            From a legal perspective you are correct (I am a former Law Student myself but dropped out to pursue artistic pursuits because I’m a philistine) and while citing case law is very impressive in a British courtroom or talking about legal matters, they hold no weight in conversations like ours which is based on logic, morality, common sense and what ought be. This is a universal (ish) topic and case law would be irrelevant when talking to an American for instance so try not to rely on it in future. That, and if we are going to get legal, distributing private photos without express permission is already a crime.

            • Alice

              We are talking about legal matters… Yes, this topic is about whether enacting a law banning revenge porn” would be morally right, but it is about laws all the same. You are correct – there are laws against distributing private photographs – unfortunately minor laws surrounding intellectual property and copyright that must be dealt with very slowly, which is inappropriate in cases such as these.

              You unfortunately don’t appear to understand MY argument. Maybe I have not been clear. I understand you are saying that the person distributing the photos is to blame for them going on the internet (though not entirely). I fail to understand WHY you believe this means that these people shouldn’t be protected from the law because of this.

              I would also suggest you look up the definition of philistine.

    • Facetious Anarchist

      “If you dress provocatively, you’re asking for it” – Anonymous Libertarian, 19th April 4:32pm.

      “MyEx is a good thing”- Anonymous Liberarian, 19th April 5:46pm.

      I’ve taken these quotes out of context. Don’t like what you’ve done being taken out of context? Don’t so silly and naive as to trust the end user to treat it in the way you wanted them to, and stop making yourself so vulnerable.

      After all, society would be so much better if we learnt to treat everyone like they’re pillaging vikings. Trust; that’s the real problem here. To trust is to be reckless, so just don’t trust anyone ever. When you trust someone that you love, it’s in essence the same as falling asleep while smoking and thus setting the house on fire, or walking down the street flashing money at poor people. Would you do that? No. So don’t trust anyone, and don’t love anyone. Ever.

  • Jess

    An consequences of sending a
    nude picture to someone is the possibility that they then have the
    opportunity to send it to someone else.

    If someone has stolen a picture or taken it without consent then I believe that’s a crime anyway?

    • Anonymous Libertarian

      God bless you. I feel dumb for not saying this myself.

  • Theo Paphitis

    It’s no wonder our Union had to shut the Scholar and cut the Safety Bus when it wastes money on frivolous crap like this.

    If the SU was a business, it wouldn’t last a minute with such waste and inefficiency.

  • Annoyed Melon

    A completely biased and utterly defunct article, lacking the basic requirements of a proper argument.

    The “Hull Tab” is well and truly dead. Please stop posting such drivel without complete assurance of your sources.

  • THE TRUTH HURTS

    says a lot

  • chloe

    well yeah victims of it would. Idiot.

  • Alice

    Except you know… those thousands of people that have signed the petition AND that it’s happened to.
    But well done for being able to make a comment out of your name AND the comment box. Never seen that one before.

  • Bitter and Cynical

    When anything like this happens it’s usually because the SU have or are about to do something very unpopular. Distraction technique’s. .